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HS is certainly not the innocent and pure "Cinderella" she was before, is she? I have to say that she's annoying me with all the "KH is mine" talk - to him no less. I always hate when characters call other characters 'mine' in a possessive way. Especially when it's clear the other party has no romantic interest in them.

I suppose I'm meant to feel badly for HS, but I just can't. She spends her father's money, stays out for days with her friends and boyfriends, makes up lies to annoy/hurt EJ, buys gifts to win her stepmother's love, whines that everyone but her has someone, tries to date a man that clearly isn't interested,




tells someone "Don't die" while inwardly thinking: 'Die. Don't wake up'

So, no, I just can't feel sorry for her. I see HS has problems and issues with her sister. But, those issues are issues that weren't pushed onto her - she shares some blame for where she is in life and how others view her. Yes, EJ, could have been nicer while they were growing up, but HS could have risen above it.

I don't think HS is playing the "victim", but she certainly isn't trying to move on and be strong. I mean, all EJ has to do is mention "take your dad's. . ." and HS calls EJ evil; EJ knows this and it's how she gets HS to do work for the company. It's, like, HS should be doing more - she only does things around the business as punishment - and doesn't try to make something of herself. Sure, she has ballet, but that doesn't seem to be going well. I get HS has no real interest, but at 23/24, you think she'd be trying to find one. Instead, she's trying to get KH to want to marry/date her.



As for the HS/EJ sister relationship - I think these episodes have made it clear that EJ does care, but she isn't about to say so. As for HS, it seems she hates EJ more and more, and is getting things twisted around due to her jealously and her feelings of "not living up" to EJ in their father's eyes.


Grown-up JW is very sweet. The writer and PD have stated that his character is a "sweet, simple man whose love for EJ guides him" and, yes, he's living up to that. I just hope he doesn't get all twisted and "evil" later.


KH - Uh, KH - you've got some angst and I am loving it.


But. . .why was there no preview for episode seven?!


Random: episode 5 was 19.7% in the ratings and episode 6 was 18.6%. Who wants to bet it breaks 20% at some point?

Date: 2010-04-16 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I didn't like HS from the word go , so I am absolutely with you on this. I han't watched the ep.6 with subs yet, but I wanted it raw and HS seems to have turned into a right mess, with a victim complex. But I think they will "reform" her at the end, though.

Date: 2010-04-16 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
I didn't like HS from the word go

Either have I. I've always thought she was an annoying and spoiled brat with a Princess Complex.



HS seems to have turned into a right mess, with a victim complex.

She really is. I've watched the episode partly subbed. She has a major victim complex. Yes, she does seem aware that her stepmother isn't as nice as she thought, so that's good. But, HS does pout and walk around thinking that no one loves her and that EJ and her mom have "stolen" everything. It makes me scream: No, girl! If you'd work instead of staying out all the time and spending money you didn't earn - you're dad won't be disappointed in you.


At one point she asks if she's "useless" and she is - because she doesn't do anything! As far as I can tell, she's just spent the last eight years dating and spending money.

Date: 2010-04-17 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biases.livejournal.com
Followed you over from [livejournal.com profile] dangermousie and I have to say, I agree with everything you've written. I have no patience for HS and no sympathy either - it's one thing to say that EJ 'stole' everything and makes HS look bad in comparison, but you know what HS could have done? ACTUALLY, ANYTHING. It doesn't seem like she went to uni, she has no skills outside of ballet (and doesn't seem to be that good at it anyway; she never practices and we saw back before the timeskip that she expected to be given first place without having worked for it) and all she does is drink (EJ having to pick her up doesn't seem to be an isolated incident) and fool around with boys!

I think these episodes have made it clear that EJ does care

EJ repeatedly reached out in her own stunted ways - her words of truth at the beginning of ep 5 are designed to make HS wake up to herself, she smooths the blanked over HS when she thinks she's asleep, and while you can argue that EJ choosing HS for the marketing campaign is to save money, I think it's more properly informed by her wanting to have HS actually doing something with her life. I also find it interesting that EJ is clearly clever and yet is easily persuaded by HS saying that she and KH are dating - I feel that usually she'd see that for the lie it is, but she's blind when it comes to KH, and a little bit soft towards HS.

I can't respect HS. At best, I can feel for her when her bewilderment takes over and she wonders why she's acting like this, doing things like this, but she'll never be the sister I root for. For all that EJ made her that way, the potential had to be in HS from the beginning - if she were truly the paragon of perfection some people believe her to be we wouldn't be seeing these cracks in her facade.

Sorry for the random long comment, I was just so excited to find someone who'd watched both eps! ♥

Date: 2010-04-17 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
There is too much to quote, but I want to say that I agree 120% with your comment. It's like you read my mind! I'm just so happy to see someone else who shares my thoughts on HS! It seems must fans at least have some sympathy for her, but I just cannot bring myself to feel that for her.

Do you mind if I friend you? I just saw your pic-spasm on the episode and adored it.

Date: 2010-04-17 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biases.livejournal.com
Yay, I'm so glad we're on the same page! I love that people have differing opinions with dramas - a lot of the time, it makes me see things that I didn't even consider before - but I honestly can't wrap my head around HS being a sympathetic character. Maybe it's just the drama telling me what to think? IDK!

Of course I don't mind, I've friended you back. Now we can squee about stuff week to week. :D

Date: 2010-04-17 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
but I honestly can't wrap my head around HS being a sympathetic character.

Neither can I. She's just so selfish and cruel. Her voice-overs make me want to slap her. Wishing EJ would die? That was just horrible!


Now we can squee about stuff week to week

Yay! I watch these episodes RAW, the day they come out. It'll be great to have someone to squee with. Or maybe bitch about HS with.

Date: 2010-04-17 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] homocoucho.livejournal.com
Found your journal from [livejournal.com profile] dangermousie's recent CU entry, and I have to agree with everything you've just said.

I don't think I'd call EJ's behavior as "lashing out" or a facade. She's lived that way for more than 2 decades, that's how she's built. So for HS to not even have an understanding of how she acts, it really just proves to me how egotistical she can be. And I don't like that HS likes to deflect most of the blame for what she has become on EJ.

I suppose I'm so attached to EJ because I can see a bit of myself in her, and I've lived with a bunch of HS to last me a lifetime. I can completely understand her desire to just up and run away.

Date: 2010-04-17 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] homocoucho.livejournal.com
Oh, do you mind if I friend you?

Date: 2010-04-17 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Friend away! I'll friend you back!

Date: 2010-04-17 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
it really just proves to me how egotistical she can be. And I don't like that HS likes to deflect most of the blame for what she has become on EJ.

Totally. Her voice-overs are what really made me see just how big her ego is. I think what really bothers me is that you never see her practice her ballet - but she thinks she should get leads; you never see her offer to help out or spend time with the family - yet she whines she's alone; you never see KH show her romantic feelings - yet she goes around calling KH 'Mine' and decides they should marry. All while blaming EJ for everything bad that happens.

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